Part 2 of our Canadiens Pre-season series offers up a look at some of the more interesting questions surrounding the team going into the 2013 campaign.
To help me answer some of these questions, I have assembled an eclectic team of Montreal Hockey experts to see if we can come to a consensus on anything.
Avi Goldberg is a sociologist who teaches full time at Vanier College and part time
at Concordia University. He writes on connections between sports, culture,
and politics for the AllHabs digital magazine.
Conor Mckenna is a familiar face here at "The Breakdown" having appeared in an excellent edition of "HABS-TOWN". Conor hosts multiple shows on TSN 690 radio in Montreal, including the Habs post-game show.
Mike O'Brand has visited "The Breakdown" before. Although he is currently abroad, he maintains his "HabsLaughs" Blog & Twitter account. Mike offers a passionate and humorous viewpoint of the Habs world.
Jessica Rusnak is the TSN 690 reporter on the Habs beat. She covers every practice, every game, every media scrum, she's always there. Recently she has also started filing "Habs Report" on the TSN website.
The last time the NHL played a lockout shortened season in 1995, Peter Bondra led the league with 34 goals, how many goals will the Habs leading scorer pot this year, and who will it be?
Obrand: Easy: 95 goals-Alex Galchenyuk
Goldberg: I see Therrien letting the team loose
offensively far more this year than under Martin and Cunneyworth. In the goal-scoring
department, Galchenyuk will be the real wild card this
year. Sticking, however, to a conservative logic, I predict Max Pacioretty as
leading goal scorer. 26 goals.
McKenna: I think Max Pacioretty will lead the Habs with 20-23 goals this year.
Rusnak: I agree with Conor as well I say Pacioretty 20-25 goals
Hermelin: I'm going to have to agree with everyone here, and give the lead to Max Pacioretty, but I'm going to say he'll get in the 18-20 goal range. I'd Also caveat that by saying I think Eric Cole and Brian Gionta with both also likely wind up in that ballpark as well.
When do the Montreal Canadiens and PK Subban reach a deal? Is it in time for the start of the season?
Obrand: The funny thing is that he signed a
contract to be on my fantasy team last week…he says he’s showing up for that…
Rusnak: I do not believe Subban will sign with the Canadiens before the
start of the season.
Goldberg: I have paid little attention to this, have
very little understanding on why this is so difficult to get done, and can’t
figure out why it is always these defensemen who hold out for a better
contract.
McKenna: It's looking less and less likely that PK signs before the 19th, but these things can change very quickly.
Hermelin: I'm
a little bit frustrated with this. I got into a bit of an argument
about it with someone on Twitter the other day actually. Let's be honest
here, the Canadiens aren't winning a Stanley Cup, and PK Subban at this
point in his career is not the one missing piece to get them there. If
I'm Marc Bergevin I let him sit out.
Rusnak: If the Canadiens start off the season well then
there will be less pressure to sign Subban and the Canadiens will have
the upper hand. If the Habs get off to a rocky
start then I could see them coming to an agreement sooner rather than
later. I say the Habs sign Subban by February 1st.
Goldberg: Based on my complete lack of a spider sense on this one, I say early
February deal, just in time for the Buffalo Sabres at the Bell Centre. That
would be the second Saturday night home game for the Habs this year.
Obrand: They have 5 days to sign him? I
think it gets done within the next 48 hours and he reports to camp on Thursday.
Hermelin: Carey Price and Max Pacioretty had to wait until their second contract was over to get a long extension, PK needs to be in the same boat. I think the best comparable player in the league to PK Subban is John Carlson in Washington. The Capitals gave Carlson a long term deal (he's signed through the 2017-2018 season) but he's also signed to a reasonable cap hit of just under $4 Million dollars - something that PK Subban's camp is reportedly not willing to accept. It seems to me like Subban and his camp think that being a popular player on a popular team with a fantastic personality means more dollars. The longer he sits out, the more that popularity will wane.
What do you think about what happened with Scott Gomez?
McKenna: Unfortunately for Gomez, this kind of had to happen. He's still young
enough that if he gets into the right system, he could become an
effective player again but between the city and the team, Montreal was
simply the wrong place for him.
Goldberg: There is certainly a lack of fairness from
the perspective of the player, but from the perspective of team (both in terms
of wins/losses and business), telling Gomer to sit is the best decision that
can be made. The problem with Gomez has not been the absolute value of his
contract, but rather the fact that he has contributed no meaningful tangible
results for the team aside from the allegedly good humor he has dispensed in
the dressing room.
Hermelin: I've actually gone on at length on this very blog about Scott Gomez. In short he was never worth the contract he signed in New York and he could never live up to it. I'm not a big fan of his being unceremoniously sent home to avoid injury, but it seems the league and the players association have worked that out. I absolutely agree with Mike here too, I think Scott Gomez does have some value as a player and he should have at least been given training camp to prove it.
Obrand: It kind of leaves a bitter taste in
my mouth for a few reasons. 1. The wasted money. 2. They probably should have
let him show what he could do in camp…I think they owed him at least that
despite his many failures.
Goldberg: With a salary so high that his body has effectively taken
the place of at least two other players who actually could have been
contributing to the team’s on-ice efforts, this had to come to an end. I’m glad
it did now.
Last week, Gomez gave an in depth interview to the Gazette's Dave Stubbs saying that "I’m happy to be back and a
buyout is the last thing on my mind. I’m here to help the team win in
whatever capacity they want. I’m going to give my all." He wasn't given that chance, do you feel he deserved a chance at all? Did he or does he have anything left to offer to anyone?
Obrand: This will change his career for the
better. Nobody like to be cut, he has to have a shred of pride in him. After
the buyout a team will take a chance on him for league minimum and he’ll burn
the Habs whenever they meet.
I guess it’s a good thing because
now he can literally earn money by doing nothing instead of doing the same in a
Habs jersey.
McKenna: He does have something to offer, but as I mentioned earlier, not here in
Montreal. He has been saying all the right things for years but the fact
is, something had to give. Reading between the lines during the press
conference when Bergevin addressed the Gomez dismissal, you could tell
that he wasn't happy with the work ethic and effort level he was getting
from #11. This was the only thing to do and I applaud Bergevin for
having the balls to do it. You simply can't have a guy who is by far the
highest paid on your team going out there and not contributing. It
undermines everything a winning organization needs to have and that's
why this had to happen.
Goldberg: Someone on Twitter (I can’t remember who)
said we should not underestimate the symbolic message that was sent by this
move: in part, this is Marc Bergevin showing that, from now on, he does not want
to be associated with the vision or decisions of the previous regime as he works
on rebuilding the Habs in his own image. So, with a new boss, and with the boss’s
obvious hunger to create a legitimately competitive team, no, Gomez did not
deserve a chance to prove himself in any abstract or absolute sense. As for
whether he has anything left to give, I would say that if he wanted to commit
to it he could be a penalty-killing specialist. Is there any team willing to
pay a penalty-killing specialist that kind of salary? Get Charles Wang on the
horn.
Last season, Thomas Kaberle showed up to Hurricanes training camp very out of shape. Although he did pick up his share of points with Montreal, his play left much to be desired. After the season, Kaberle admitted to reporters that he was out of shape and needed to work hard in the offseason to prove himself again. Kaberle's not an old man, and he has shown up in camp in considerably better shape this year - what do you expect from him?
Obrand: I have no expectations. He was by
far the worst Habs D-Man last year in terms of defensive play. Good for him for
getting in shape but I grew to resent him long ago…hopefully he proves me
wrong.
Goldberg: My best hope for Kaberle is that we don’t
really notice him too much on the ice, but that he also has a rejuvenated
ability to quickly move the puck from the defensive end up to the forwards.
But, honestly, what I really expect from him are those rosy red cheeks and lots
of those little saucer passes to his partner at the blue line while Habs fans
scream “SHOOOOOOT!” at the top of their lungs.
Hermelin: I hate that he's soft in the corners. I can respect that he came in to camp in better shape. He's overpaid, however he picks up assists even when he's invisible. The guy has one great skill, he makes excellent first passes, as a bottom pair defenseman who will see time on the Power Play, I think there can be some use from him yet.
Rusnak: I'm going to give Kaberle the benefit of the doubt. He
showed up at this year's camp in much better shape and seems more
focused on hockey. He has a good attitude, he wants to prove to everyone
he is still a good hockey player. I'm going to give
him 5 games to prove that he has changed since last season.
McKenna: I expect Kaberle to be a factor offensively and a disaster defensively.
The longer Subban isn't available, the more of a role he'll play and I
can't see that being good for the Habs. Kaberle has not been a positive
force on a winning hockey team for a long, long time.
Who is the most important player for the Canadiens this year?
Obrand: Petteri Nokelainen.
Hermelin: The obvious answer here is Carey Price, but I am going to say Andrei Markov. If Markov is even close to the player he was before he started running into injury problems the Canadiens become infinitely better. Suddenly they will not only have a top shut down defenseman who can play 20+ minutes, but there Power Play looks dangerous too.
Obrand: But actually it’s Peter Budaj. If
Price goes down with an injury Budaj will have to play out of his mind for the
Habs to have a chance.
Rusnak:Carey Price. I agree with Mike, If Price gets injured early in the
season I don't know if Budaj will be able to get the job done for the
Habs.
Goldberg: Very hard to limit this to just one player.
I will cheat by identifying two sets of the most important players. Set #1:
Plekanec and Eller. The Habs need solid and effective work from their second
and third line centres. Will Plekanec come back and perform offensively and
defensively to allow the second line to take pressure off the first line? Will
Eller figure out his role and be consistent in anchoring an aggressive and
better-defined third line? Team success depends on sorting this out. Set #2:
Markov and Subban. Markov doesn’t want to talk injury but is he healthy, able
to come closer to his normal playing level, and strong enough to play through
an entire shortened season? Will Subban sign a contract? Will he continue to
develop as a player and grow into his potential as an exciting defenseman with
multiple skill potentials? The Habs are currently shallow on D and really need
the back end guys to defend well and, even more importantly, to be able to
efficiently move the puck to the forwards to generate offense. Will Markov and
Subban be able to contribute to these vital needs? The work of the players
comprising these two sets will be most decisive in determining the team’s
fortunes this year.
Hermelin: Shallow on Defense? In what world? You might not like the defensemen they have in camp, but even without Subban the Canadiens have 8 NHL defensemen in camp - and that's without discussing any of the prospects. There are questions on some of those defensemen, true, we've already talked about Kaberle at length, but I actually think the Canadiens have significant depth on the back end.
If any one player can be singled out for Montreal as needing to offer more to the club this year than last, who is it? why? how big an impact can they make?
Goldberg: The most obvious answer has to be Rene
Bourque. You love this guy’s size, you see the near-30 goals on his stats from
a couple of years, and you have faint memories of watching him score goals when
watching highlights from the Western Conference late at night and you wish he could
be a powerful scoring winger for the Habs.
Obrand: Rene Bourque. He isn’t a Hab yet if
you know what I mean. Bourque needs to know what it means to be a Montreal
Canadien. You can’t play flat on any team and that is especially true in
Montreal. Bourque can be an effective top 9 winger who can play big and score
the dirty goals. We had tiny glimpses last season but nowhere near enough.
Rusnak: Rene Bourque. This team needs to play a tougher more physical
game. Bourque can do that while also producing points something that was
also missing from the team last season. If Bourque is playing to his
full potential it will be a huge bonus to
the team.
Goldberg: If Bourque could be what you want
him to be, you would welcome the dilemmas created for the coach. Can he be a
force needed to bolster a second line? Can he help to give the third line an
identity and an ability to crash and bang against the opponents’ third lines?
If the guy returns to being the ghost that he was last year, this is yet
another player whose so-called presence on the ice basically gives the other
team a man advantage each time he’s out there. If, however, he’s able to ramp
it up, then Bourque could be an element that helps bring the Habs to a level of
respectability and depth not seen in a while.
McKenna: Carey Price needs to do better. There are other
options here, but most are guys who were hurt last year. If Price can be
at his best through a shortened season, the Canadiens are a playoff
team. If' he's sub-par, they could be in the mix for the top pick in the
2013 draft. He's that important.
Michel Therrien told TSN 690's Mitch Melnick that he plans to have the players play this season "on their toes" not "on their heels" alluding to a more offensive system. In the past, Therrien has been a defensive coach, do you believe that, like Alain Vigneault in Vancouver, Therrien has evolved his coaching system and style OR is this much like when Jacques Martin came in and made similar promises?
Obrand: People grow up but talk is cheap. We’ll
have to wait and see.
Rusnak: Only time will tell
McKenna: Of course this is purely speculation but I do expect
a more uptempo style from Therrien's version of the team.
Unfortunately, the personnel is largely the same from a year ago, so the
question is whether that higher-risk strategy will result in the
Canadiens getting exposed defensively. Frankly, the pain of another bad
year would be reduced during a shortened schedule and getting another
top prospect could be the best thing that could happen to this team
going forward.
Hermelin: I honestly believe Therrien will try to change his system, and the Canadiens I've believed for awhile have the horses to play an up-tempo aggressive offensive game, but if and when the going gets tough I worry the Coach will revert back to what he knows best.
Goldberg: I’ll answer this question by first
explaining my absurdist theory about Jacques Martin. Do you remember when he
was coach of the Sens? My memories are of a fairly high scoring team but one
with mediocrity in goal. Pundits seem to think the latter might have prevented
those teams from going all the way. So, aside from personnel, what else can
explain the stifling play of the Jacques Martin Habs in comparison to those
Sens teams that had some offensive punch? My absurdist theory is that Martin
dropped two components from his coaching repertoire since he served as Ottawa’s
coach and maybe this was a factor. First, Sens players were always filmed after
games riding the stationary bike. I don’t know if this ever happened with
Martin’s Habs teams. Maybe they were out of shape. Or, how about the
three-piece suits? They were fairly out of style even when Martin coached the
Senators but maybe that sartorial choice back then actually brought those teams
some luck. How does all of this relate to the question of whether Michel
Therrien will have changed enough to become more of an offensive coach? Well,
since Martin seemed to regress as a coach by clearly altering some of his
coaching ways, maybe there is a chance for Therrien to greatly improve as a
coach with some changes of his own. So, I’ll be looking for a new hairstyle, evidence
of a long sleeve shirt under his suit, or for the players to have some kind of a
quirky post-game fitness regimen imposed on them. As long as there are clear signs
of a new routine imposed by the coach, I think there is a good chance that the
Therrien has upgraded his system. If not, it won’t take long for fans to be
praying that the Habs can repatriate wonder boy, Guy Boucher, to Montreal once
his time with the Lightning comes to its inevitable conclusion.
Alex Galchenyuck. What do you do with him?
Obrand: Top 6 immediately. He’s the most
offensively talented player on the team.
Rusnak: I want to see what Galchenyuk can do in an NHL game before I
decided. But I believe the Canadiens won't keep him if they don't think
he'll be able to play on the top 2 lines.
McKenna: I don't think you can properly assess Galchenyuk without seeing him in
actual NHL game action first. Having said that, my instinct is that he
will make the team. You have to hope that means he gets to play an
actual role and get minutes that matter at the NHL level because it
would be painful to watch him regress after the strides he's made in
Sarnia and for Team USA at the WJC this season.
Goldberg: I’ve been convinced by all those who point
to players like Latendresse, Ribeiro, and even Pacioretty and say that the
careers of young players can be stunted or ruined if they don’t have enough
time to develop before joining the big club. Like everyone else, I want an
aggressively offensive power forward on the Habs. And, while it seems as though
Galchenyuk has the potential to eventually surpass Pacioretty and Cole in this
role, I don’t want to risk the future by taking too many chances with the kid
in the present. So, I say keep him here for the first five games and then send
him to Sarnia to finish the year. Let him work on his skating, chase the OHL
scoring title, and allow him to get hungrier to play in the NHL. We will all
miss him while he is gone, but the benefits of allowing him to continue his development
will outstrip the potential pitfalls of pushing him too fast.
Hermelin: I personally think he should go back to Sarnia to finish out the season and try to win a Memorial Cup. The problem I have is next season. He looks too dominant to spend another year in Junior, but he's not allowed to go the American league as yet.
I'd give him the 5 games to see what he's got, but unless he's setting the world on fire, re-evaluate him in the fall. No damage can be caused by him going back to Sarnia, but like Conor and Avi have said it would be painful to see him if he struggles in the NHL and follows the same trend that Guillaume Latendresse and Mike Ribeiro did. The American Hockey League route worked out pretty well for Tomas Plekanec.
Of the players in camp currently, who does not start the season with the Montreal Canadiens?
Obrand: Players who don’t play for the
Canadiens?
Rusnak: Dumont, Gallagher, Tinordi, Commodore
Goldberg: In my perfect world, there is no need for Petteri
Nokelainen, Yannick Weber or Tomas Kaberle on this squad and it wouldn’t sadden
me if any or all of them are gone!
Hermelin: I can't see any way that both Diaz AND Weber stick with the club. Part of me would like to see Gallagher or Dumont get a shot of Galchenyuck on that line with Plekanec and Gionta.
Where do the Canadiens finish this season?
Obrand: 8th and above or 15th.
Rusnak: 6th in the east
Goldberg: Seventh in the North East and twelfth in
the Eastern Conference. I should add that my optimism is artificially inflated
by the fact it would sicken me to predict them finishing behind the Leafs.
McKenna: I'll pick the Habs to finish 6th in the East.
Hermelin: In a shortened season like this, it's really a crap-shoot. So much depends on health. Assuming there are no major injuries for the Canadiens (or any other teams in the East) I see the Canadiens battling for a playoff spot. I can't see them finishing higher than 7th in the conference, but I don't see them finishing lower than 10th either.
Which Bell Centre concession item did you miss most during the lockout?
Rusnak: The cookies!!!
Goldberg: Since I rarely go the games and do not eat
red meat, poultry, or pork, I can’t say that I’m a connoisseur of Bell Centre
Fare. From direct experience, however, I can tell you with certainty that I
didn’t miss the “beer.”
Obrand: Smoked Meat…when I feel like taking out a bank loan to buy one.
McKenna: Hot dogs, man! That's mostly because they're the only item that we lowly
reporters get for free in the press lounge. I know, poor us!
Hermelin: I'm kind of partial to the Pizza. Although, it often burns the top of my mouth. I also really miss having Felix and Norton cookies at the games, those were awesome. We used to buy them during the playoffs whenever the Habs would go to Overtime. That tradition seemed to stop after Game 4 vs Carolina in the 2002 playoffs. Something to do with Bill Lindsay taking a face-off making me lose a cookie or four.
It's
not much of a surprise to see fans in this market flocking back to the
Canadiens as if there was no lockout, Do you think however there was damage done?
If so have the Habs done enough to repair the damage? what do you think of
their initiatives so far?
Goldberg: In Montreal, where hockey is an integral part of
our day-to-day life and culture, the only serious damage that has been done is
economic, either to local businesses or to those whose incomes depend on hockey.
This is not to be underestimated or downplayed, especially if individuals or
families have suffered as a result. As for regular hockey fans, a) they
experienced a temporary respite from their most favorite cultural pastime; b)
they may have actually benefited during the lockout by taking up other sports
or activities; and c) after having time away from hockey, they are now poised
to resume the love affair with their game, and possibly even to experience the
joy of their teams and the competition at an intensity not thought to be
possible. The question of whether the Habs, or any other Canadian team, has
done enough to repair the damage, in reality, is moot. The notion of
compensation has been amplified by the media who, having showed
uncharacteristically direct criticism toward both the players and owners during
the lockout, may be projecting their own legitimate anger for having their jobs
cut out from underneath their feet onto the fan base. The fans will take what
they can get in terms of compensation, but the most important thing for them is
the playing of the games. The fans are waiting to plant their fannies in their
seats, they are already filling the talk shows and Twitter timelines with their
passion, and by the time they are belting out their first rendition of “Ole Ole
Ole Ole” at the Bell Centre, their bad dream will be practically forgotten.
The wait is over. Only hours to go.
Habs. Leafs.
Hockey. Night. In. Canada.
